Today I had my first little play about with my bike. Took all the fairings off and got scrubbing all the crap off...Its only 2 years old but I don't think the previous owners looked after it too well. just covered in grime really...All shiny now though Put a new spark plug in and did an oil change whilst I was at it...Got rid of some tacky stickers that were on there too. Lubed it all up ready to go now. Few questions though... - There were metal shards in the engine oil that came out...I know this isn't a good thing...But how bad is it? Am I looking at big trouble ahead or should I just make sure I'm keeping on top of my oil level? Picture of them: - Oil is a little bit over the dipstick level...Is this a big deal? - Bike sounds different afterwards...more of a 'ticking' sound? Not sure if that's normal. Felt like I had loads of questions but that is all I can remember haha... Oh yeah here she is getting cleaned: Need to get a job in a bike shop so I can learn more and feel comfortable working on the bike. Anywhere hiring? Will work for food :lmfao:
er dont like the look of the metal bits...... Gearbox dog teeth perhaps From memory the ticking noise is normal
deffo summat not right with all that metal, the previous onwner must have abused it and not give a sh*t over filling the oil could cause too much oil pressure, but if its only a bit you should be ok, a little tip for getting excess oil out is if you have a mr muscle or similar squrty bottle with a trigger just unscrew the handle and tube and put it it you oil filler to get out the overfill.
Doesnt look right dude. Has it been making any funny noises recently ? grinding or crunching ? gear shifts all ok ? Or anything else u noticed that has happened progressively? I'd be finding where theyre from before i rode it again. I remember my old berg used to have bits in after every oil change but they were very small bits and was (apparantly) normal. That idea johnny says is a good one about the squirty top, saves u dropping the drain bolt etc. Can also use a syringe, Always use new sealing washers as well, not worth the 10p saving if it drops the oil and seizes the engine ! And I agree with the oil statement, probably not an issue but its always best to get it bang on then you know its right. Ticking hmmm, maybe if the oil is slightly different (manufacturer/viscosity). Does it still tick once its warm ? Nowt wrong with teaching yourself, best thing to do is read through what you are going to do a few times, understand what it is you're doing and just take your time. And if any help is needed just ask (like you have)
I'm putting it in for a full service at 8,000 miles...its at 7500 now. I was going to just ride the 500 because it rode home fine, and there is no crunching...everything seems smooth. When I take it in for a proper service I'll ask them to take a look. Ride home was about 15 miles from Southport along the bypass, so the engine had a pretty good ride and nothing went wrong haha. When I drained the old oil, only 400ml came out. Could the metal shards be because it was just low (very low...less than half!)?
has it ever had its first dealer service???? (saying that it's a miracle if you find a dealer who actually does what theyre sposed to) first oil change you will always get a lot of production swarf in the sump. if the bike runs fine i wouldnt be at all concerned. if you are worried, take the bits of metal and a sample of oil to AlControl (google) and they wil analyse it for you and get a breakdown of all the metals in the oil. if theres stuff like molybdenum, phosphor bronze etc it will tell if the shells & rod is on the way. tbh that looks like steel swarf to me - is it magnetic? not been falling out with people have we?
Not a clue how to strip it Went into two shops today First shop - Looking at a used engine, or £1,000 for a rebuild. Second shop - £50/60 to strip it down and have a look...but then he will just give me it back in bits. People on an r125 forum saying they've never seen it happen, so its definitely not good. Bike is 2 years old in August. I've text the previous owner to see if he ever noticed anything and didn't tell me (doubt he will reply) Anybody on here want to make me a better offer to strip it down and have a look? I'll make the tea haha Also, I tried to get my CSI on: Put a few pieces together looks like a washer or something circle...I threw all the metal bits in the bin so I can't check them :doh: Plan right now - Ride it as is for 200 miles or so, then drain and see if there is more metal. If there is - new engine or rebuild...If there isn't...Then just hope the problem has gone away. I want to strip it down but I don't have the know how, especially when it comes to re-building it. vvtr - yeah it had first dealer service at 564 miles, then another service at 5164 miles.
ANOTHER THING: The bike is still in Warranty. Should I go to a Yamaha dealer and ask them (Where is the closest one in North West?) I think the warranty is void though, since the only stamped services are: 16/9/10 - 564 miles 26/04/11 - 5164 miles Yamaha R125 user manual says should be serviced every 3,500 miles. I reckon warranty is void This previous owner is turning out to be a right c*nt. If you spend £3,000 on a bike you look after it... *sorry I meant to edit the other post, not double.
A new engine always drops a bit of metal from the gearbox. Depending on how the old one was ridden, it could just be a bit of gear or selector being chewed up. As you said, ride it for a week and see if there's any more deposits. If it were anything serious, I'm sure it would've developed a noticable symptom by now.
Will do. In the meantime are there any proper mechanics on here who I could PM? I'm sure you guys know your way around an engine well enough but I'd be interested in seeing what some mechanics/shop workers have to say. The two shops I asked in seemed like they just wanted my money (duh lol) but they looked at the picture for 2 seconds and said "rebuild"...There has to be more to it...right?
bet your ass theres fk all up with it. (not that i want to win your ass btw :/ ) simples. it hasnt had its first dealer service. or it has but they serviced it with the magic rag, like they do. i work with all types of machinery and you will always get machining swarf at the first oil change. chances are its burrs off the clutch basket, milling swarf and debris from tightening in the crankcase bolts for the first time. most of the kit i work on has an oil & filter change at 50 - 200hrs running and im so used to seeing crap it doesnt bother me in the slightest. just for a laugh, next time you take your bike / car for a service, sign & date all the parts they should change and put a dye in the oil. 99% of the time it will come back exactly the same. the only thing they do is lighten your wallet. another reason why you should learn to maintain your own bike. on your bike btw, there is no liner or plating on the bores, so clean oil is essential for a healthy engine.... sak ninjafish dave lol :lol: you take it to a dealer you're a mug. if it's running fine then just do regular oil changes, filter etc and enjoy the bike. dont listen to ppl who dont know wtf theyre on about and regarding the swarf - this is why so many bikes have magnetic sump plugs, or you can buy an aftermarket one. nothing to worry about.
Admittedly iv never owned anything brand new so i couldnt say anything about the bits from a new engine. If it all seems ok, just ride it If it breaks just turn up at vvtr's house with it in boxes hahaha
thing is, it's like this. when you take an engine apart there are always loads of bits left over that you don't need. yamaha have taken this a step further by filling the sump with extra parts.
Chaps this bike isn't brand new...Its 20 months old I'm the third owner, its done 7,500 miles (200 are mine without a single problem before the oil change) It has had 2 services since new, one @ 500 miles and one @ 5,000 miles. Previous owners both said they serviced regular and I want to believe them, since he was pretty honest about scratches and stuff when I bought it. I'm still in warranty so I'm gonna take it to Wigan Yamaha (closest one right?) and explain the situation, see where we go from there.
but if its had 2 x oil changes mate, i reckon he may have an issue. heres what i would do, ride it for say 100 miles. change the oil. check for bits. then increase mileage. say 500. change oil. check for bits. then if all ok go to maybe a 1000 miles. ok your going to spend a bit on oil. but may save you a lot in the long run? ive seen some competition stuff lose a bit of metal (thinking ktm rfs engines) but they require regular servicing and rebuild work. martin knows his sh*t to be honest, just saying what i would do if it was mine just a thought, have you searched for a yamaha forum that may have seen similair?
looking the the bits youve pieced together, and the type of metal it looks like in the pic, i would suggest it is a hardened (brittle) shim from between the gears, very possibly a thrust washer from behind the selector forks. there is nothing like that in the actual power bit engine bit afaik... i mean the crank, piston, valves, cams etc so it is from the bottom end of the motor / gearbox and not the valve end where it can do damage. so assuming you havent got a whining gearbox and it goes in & out of gear easy enough, doesnt burn oil & no excessive noise, forget it. if you are worried, get a magnetic sump plug off ebay and monitor it over the next few oil changes. tbh if it was me and i was concerned, i'd just delete this thread and sell it on.
