Hope the copper got done for that, what a ridiculous place to stop people! Bloody idiot is all I can say about the copper in that clip. Grrr! Yes I'm aware the first motorcyclist was pulled for speeding, but why set up a stop in poor conditions like that?
Don't see a problem with this, if the conditions were better. But with the weather like that, He shouldn't stand in the middle of the road & try to stop a bike. Whenever I've seen a video like this they usually have unmarked bikes following them, I remember watching one about Yorkshire police using a hayabusa to catch people speeding.
Depends how much money and influence you had. If it went to court I'm sure the copper would be part of the blame. Would the motorcyclist have crashed if the copper wasn't there?
Would be interesting to find out what happend in court with this. I wonder If he got done for dangerous driving or got off because of the conditions and coppers decision to stand on the road. Sent from my SM-T310 using Tapatalk
Police or something else,causing the lead rider to do an emergency stop,either way it was going to happen
Fault lies in 3 places. 1 - Copper for jumping out in the road like an idiot. 2 - lead bike, should have stopped safely instead of just slamming on the brakes in the middle of the road. 3 - Speed. Only be able to prove the speed of the front bike I imagine. But then you have two points: There wouldn't have been a crash if the copper didn't stop them. BUT The copper wouldn't stop them if they weren't speeding. IMO Everybody gets a slap on the wrist. Copper gets a fuck load of paperwork to do, and the bikers learnt to ride to the conditions. If that copper was a cow or a car spinning out - they'd still need to slam on.
Point 1, Plod didn't jump out in front of the SV which crashed, he stopped the VFR rider, who managed to stop in plenty of time. Point 2, The VFR rider didn't slam on, he stopped, but I agree, not in the best place. Point 3, The actual physical speed wouldn't matter, it's an easy straight up careless/inconsiderate driving, the SV rider's own footage proves it as he was riding too fast for the conditions. Add on the SV rider had he been looking ahead, rather than just at the bike in front he'd have been in a better position to react and he needs to learn to brake. He stomps on the bake brake, locking the wheel, her doesn't seem to touch the front at all. The VFR rider had a lot less time and space to slow down, but he managed it easily enough.
Yep, also if the rider who crashed into the VFR claims it was a combination of the coppers actions and the conditions it proves he was riding too fast/not leaving enough gap for the conditions. A classic careless driving.
I agree with most of the above. What I noticed though is the second bike was given little option but to go right into the back. car passed in the opposite direction moments before leaving him little time to swerve right, swerving left, he'd have plowed into the copper. never known the old bill to do speed traps so close to a corner or in any bad conditions. Either way id say second riders fualt. He was unable to stop in the distance he saw to be clear on his side of the road. I make him less then 2 seconds behind the rider in front.
What was the best place? Let's be honest here. The VFR rider has that sinking "Oh shit" moment. Yes my instinct is to pull to the left and brake giving an escape for the vehicle behind. Equally, the parked car would trigger learnt behaviour to steer clear of the doors potential swing. So where should he have stopped. I am not sure where I would have ended up, in that unfamiliar situation, with all these variables and little time to plan. The officer with plenty of planning time, familiarity with enforcement and training should have realised this during a risk assessment. I hope this video would be used in future speed enforcement training, be it fake or not. The VFR was riding within his limits, if not the legal limit, but was made a target and could have been injured as a result. Police won't purse a helmet less rider for fears of the riders safety. What's the difference here between the helmet less rider and this one? Would it not be better to for the police to guest that the rider has been nabbed. Camera vans don't stop riders. Isn't that what ANPR is for. Yes, it could have been a different event that would caused this, but that does not justify police behaviour. I think the most innocent party there was the VFR rider, even if he was the first recorded offender.
Personally think it's entirely the second riders fault. Your supposed to have enough gap in front so you can react to what's happening in front of you. The second rider either didn't give him self enough space to see what was happening and react, or panicked or worse still just doesn't know how to stop his bike properly.
I agree with spikey, whether this was atraining video or for real the riders should have been riiding within their capabilities and the road conditions, what if it wasnt the police but another accident or a pedestrian/child/animal /debris running into the road
What if it was the police that shot you, but the bank robbers or terrorists? No Lavina, you argument does cut it. When a trained professional party plans, initiates and creates a situation, they have to be responsible for it and how others react to it.
The vfr rider could have stopped a bit further down the road without braking sharply,dont think the copper would of done him for not stopping level with him.
I totally agree with you here, and what you said further up about how they wont pursue someone without a helmet because it puts them at risk for their own safety, I think the second rider was going to fast for the conditions, and yes if a child would've jumped out in the road he would've crashed, but it wasn't a child, it was a police officer, and the officers location, and his actions put them at danger. Rider No.2 was an idiot for riding like that in them conditions, but he shouldn't of needed to stop where he did, and wouldn't of had to have done if not for the Police Officer.
