Who is at fault...biker or police?

Watch this video:



My opinion:

- Biker was riding in the gutter like an idiot
- Biker accelerated when the car started moving over for no reason
- Biker slammed on the brakes and STOPPED for no reason. He had loads of room before the car merged over.

Honestly, in this case this is 100% the bikers fault.

The police officer is a bit of an asshole but IMO he is right...the biker wasn't riding safely at all.

The cop should have been ready to stop and avoided the bump...but it shouldn't have happened in the first place if the biker wasn't an idiot.

Emergency stop for no reason. His fault.

I know - insurance would say it is the car behind fault for not leaving enough space or not braking correctly, but honestly that is false in this case.

 

The cop says he's got it all on film, so it would be interesting to see what he could.

It looked to me that the biker was looking for somewhere to pull over, initially but then stopped in the middle of the lane for no obvious reason. Could he have been trying to brake check the car without knowing it was the cops?

 

The cop came from middle lane to behind the biker, as the biker seen this in his mirrors he jumped on the brakes... made sure the cop had no time to react.

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this was from ages ago, iirc the copper got slated over it and possibly suspended?

 

The copper shouldn't have been that close, But yeah the biker pulled an emergency stop with no warning/no need. They're both at fault.

 

my guesses, biker has been riding like a nob for ages so the police offer has basically used the whole no ticket - no prosecution against the bike... they both knew they were in the wrong so rather than argue about it they just agreed that there was no fault and carried on... could have been a few tickets for the bike(depending on what his previous riding was like) and stops a big insurance thing against the police

 

I just think about NWA and their great song "fuck the police"

 

Yeah I think somebody said there was an investigation but in the end everything was dropped because they were both in the wrong.

Biker shouldn't have slammed on...police car should have left enough room.

Nobody got hurt so I think they gave them both a slap on the wrist and forgot about it

 

When moving over to another lane you should make sure that you have enough room to be able to stop if the vehicle in front of you stops. The problem with automatic vehicles is that they make you detached from the driving experience.

 

The biker stopped as the white car was indicating into the right hand lane, he slowed to a crawl to allow that car to pull out. At that speed the copper should have stopped.

100% police error.


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Gotta say police error, he said 'i can't stop when someone slams on'... Following too close then, if a kid ran out unexpectedly and the biker needed to stop the copper would have still hit him

The biker wasn't riding perfectly, that's for sure, seemed hesitant, but if the question is who's fault is the bump, then to me it seems the blame sits with the cop

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The car was indicating for 15 seconds and then the biker decides to slam on and come to a complete stop. All he had to do was flash his lights to let the car over and none of this would have happened...he didn't even need to think about braking.

Well yeah like I said, on paper this is the correct answer, but in the real world the accident wouldn't have happened if the biker didn't slam on for no reason.

The biker was already hovering on his brake, so there would have been no brake light for the cop to see for the emergency stop (brake light was already on).

I know they were only doing like 10mph - but that is when things can be more deceiving. The cop could see right ahead that there is no reason to slam on, and so wasn't expecting it.

Relevant video showing how slower movements can slip past human reactions:


So in short:

- I agree the cop should have avoided it
- That doesn't mean the biker didn't cause the accident. He performed an emergency stop with no emergency.

Honestly I think he tried to brake check the cop and messed it up.

Think about the insurance fraudsters who slam on for no reason in front of you. They get paid because it was your fault for hitting them...but in the grand scheme (i.e not in black and white) it was their fault for slamming on for no reason.

 

It wasnt an emergency stop. It was just a stop and he didnt slam on. At such a slow speed any positive brake pressure would stop the bike. The reason the cop is going off on one at the biker is cause he knows its his own fault and the handshake at the end is cause he's thinking thank fuck I've got away with that one.
I have family in the police and have great respect for what they do. But pretty much anyone who fucks up looks for a way out or someone else to blame as an instinct

 

Now that is a bizarre idea.

 

It could be revolutionary!
This really could be the real major contribution to road safety, rather than the façade of the "Grand Prix S".
You should patent it.

 

Absolutely, but that is rare, and people can't be on their toes 100% of the time. I know we should, but everybody lets their attention slip.

It is the reason you stay in first gear at the lights...because some soft-ollies will plough right into you.
It is the reason you have mirrors to see people steaming toward you.
It is the reason we even have brake lights...

Honestly I see what you're saying, and I admit the cop should have left enough room and stopped. But in this particular video I'm blaming the biker because he stopped for no reason.

What if we change it up. Lets imagine somebody pulled out and forced the biker to slam on.

Do you still blame the cop? Maybe...but I wouldn't. I'd blame the person for pulling out because they caused the biker to stop.

IMO it is just like when you're speeding you no longer have right of way...if you stop for no reason on a public highway you're just asking for trouble.

I think really there are three points of fault:

- The car moved over way too slowly (actually sped up to meet the rear bumper of the other car at one point)
- The biker didn't handle the situation well and broke too harsh
- The cop didn't leave enough space to stop

Biker is a victim of the guy changing lanes badly, the cop is the victim of the biker braking badly, and the biker is again the victim of the cop not paying attention.

I think we're all just gonna agree to disagree on this, but I know I'd blame the biker if I were the judge here. He pure and simple had no reason to stop.